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		<title>By: Saturday Links — DashHouse.com</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cravesomethingmore.org/2010/02/15/why-the-cross-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny!  He turned me on to you, didn&#039;t he?   So he must be a smart guy.    
 
(BTW, I linked your site and posted part of this article (what we see in the cross) on my blog because I think others need to see it.  I gave you the credit for it.  Hope you don&#039;t mind the hat tip.) 
My recent post &lt;a href=&quot;http://christiancognition.blogspot.com/2010/02/family-trip-to-mackinac-city-mi.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;FAMILY TRIP TO MACKINAC CITY, MI:&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny!  He turned me on to you, didn&#039;t he?   So he must be a smart guy.    </p>
<p>(BTW, I linked your site and posted part of this article (what we see in the cross) on my blog because I think others need to see it.  I gave you the credit for it.  Hope you don&#039;t mind the hat tip.)<br />
My recent post <a href="http://christiancognition.blogspot.com/2010/02/family-trip-to-mackinac-city-mi.html" target="_blank">FAMILY TRIP TO MACKINAC CITY, MI:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris_Tomlinson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, you must have good taste if you listen to Paul =).  Thanks for stopping by and for the encouraging words. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you must have good taste if you listen to Paul =).  Thanks for stopping by and for the encouraging words.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and great follow-up conversation between you and Jessie!  Heard about your site after hearing your interview with Paul Edwards (WRDT Detroit) today. 
My recent post &lt;a href=&quot;http://christiancognition.blogspot.com/2010/02/family-trip-to-mackinac-city-mi.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;FAMILY TRIP TO MACKINAC CITY, MI:&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and great follow-up conversation between you and Jessie!  Heard about your site after hearing your interview with Paul Edwards (WRDT Detroit) today.<br />
My recent post <a href="http://christiancognition.blogspot.com/2010/02/family-trip-to-mackinac-city-mi.html" target="_blank">FAMILY TRIP TO MACKINAC CITY, MI:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris_Tomlinson</title>
		<link>http://cravesomethingmore.org/2010/02/15/why-the-cross-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_Tomlinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jessie, 
 
Thanks for sharing these thoughts.  And I appreciate you challenging my thoughts, even though I know you didn&#039;t mean them as a chastisement. 
 
In one sense, I think Eldridge is absolutely right--the cross is not the sole focal point of Christianity.  There are many aspects of our faith that are important, and I suppose debating which is &quot;most&quot; important is kind of like debating whether God&#039;s love or justice or power is most important.  I would say that Jesus is the sole focal point of Christianity&#8212;and that would include His life, work, death, resurrection, advocacy, and headship. 
 
In another sense, I&#039;m not sure Eldridge&#8217;s usage of Paul&#039;s statement is completely relevant.  Paul&#039;s statement in 1 Cor 15 is a rebuttal to those who claimed there was no resurrection from the dead.  He&#039;s not really addressing people who are making the cross the central symbol of Christianity.  So I would be cautious in using that passage as support for the point he is trying to make. 
 
I think the spirit of what he is perhaps trying to say, though perhaps not, is right:  that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are inextricably tied together as deeply important events that make our faith possible.  We cannot separate one from the other, so it may be best to leave it at that.  But if we were to probe a bit more, we could also say something like, &#8220;The cross makes us right with God, while the resurrection guarantees the hope we have in God .&#8221;  Or to put it another way:  &#8220;The work of God through Jesus on the cross is the basis for our faith, and the work of God through Jesus&#8217; resurrection is the basis for the hope we have in our faith.&#8221; 
 
I point to the cross because that&#8217;s the foundation of the hope we have in Christ.  When we focus on the &#8220;Resurrection, healings, and miracles&#8221; rather than the cross, we may find ourselves focusing on the gifts instead of the Giver, or on the evidence for our faith rather than the basis for our faith.  Or if we say those things are &#8220;the point,&#8221; we run the risk of making something other than Jesus &#8220;the point,&#8221; which challenges Paul&#8217;s notion in Col 1 that Jesus is the point of all things. 
 
Three other passages in 1 Corinthians (where Eldridge draws out his point) are gospel-centric and point us towards this kind of orientation: 
 
&#8220;For Christ [sent me] to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power&#8221; (1 Cor 1:17). 
 
&#8220;For Jews demand signs (healings, miracles) but we preach Christ crucified&#8221; (1 Cor 1:22-23). 
 
&#8220;I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified&#8221; (1 Cor 2:2) 
 
At the end of the day, perhaps we affirm the glories of the Cross and the Resurrection, placing our faith in Jesus because of what He did for us on the cross and continuing in hope because His Resurrection.  I&#8217;d love any other thoughts or comments you may have in response.  Thanks again! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jessie, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing these thoughts.  And I appreciate you challenging my thoughts, even though I know you didn&#039;t mean them as a chastisement. </p>
<p>In one sense, I think Eldridge is absolutely right&#8211;the cross is not the sole focal point of Christianity.  There are many aspects of our faith that are important, and I suppose debating which is &quot;most&quot; important is kind of like debating whether God&#039;s love or justice or power is most important.  I would say that Jesus is the sole focal point of Christianity&mdash;and that would include His life, work, death, resurrection, advocacy, and headship. </p>
<p>In another sense, I&#039;m not sure Eldridge&rsquo;s usage of Paul&#039;s statement is completely relevant.  Paul&#039;s statement in 1 Cor 15 is a rebuttal to those who claimed there was no resurrection from the dead.  He&#039;s not really addressing people who are making the cross the central symbol of Christianity.  So I would be cautious in using that passage as support for the point he is trying to make. </p>
<p>I think the spirit of what he is perhaps trying to say, though perhaps not, is right:  that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are inextricably tied together as deeply important events that make our faith possible.  We cannot separate one from the other, so it may be best to leave it at that.  But if we were to probe a bit more, we could also say something like, &ldquo;The cross makes us right with God, while the resurrection guarantees the hope we have in God .&rdquo;  Or to put it another way:  &ldquo;The work of God through Jesus on the cross is the basis for our faith, and the work of God through Jesus&rsquo; resurrection is the basis for the hope we have in our faith.&rdquo; </p>
<p>I point to the cross because that&rsquo;s the foundation of the hope we have in Christ.  When we focus on the &ldquo;Resurrection, healings, and miracles&rdquo; rather than the cross, we may find ourselves focusing on the gifts instead of the Giver, or on the evidence for our faith rather than the basis for our faith.  Or if we say those things are &ldquo;the point,&rdquo; we run the risk of making something other than Jesus &ldquo;the point,&rdquo; which challenges Paul&rsquo;s notion in Col 1 that Jesus is the point of all things. </p>
<p>Three other passages in 1 Corinthians (where Eldridge draws out his point) are gospel-centric and point us towards this kind of orientation: </p>
<p>&ldquo;For Christ [sent me] to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power&rdquo; (1 Cor 1:17). </p>
<p>&ldquo;For Jews demand signs (healings, miracles) but we preach Christ crucified&rdquo; (1 Cor 1:22-23). </p>
<p>&ldquo;I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified&rdquo; (1 Cor 2:2) </p>
<p>At the end of the day, perhaps we affirm the glories of the Cross and the Resurrection, placing our faith in Jesus because of what He did for us on the cross and continuing in hope because His Resurrection.  I&rsquo;d love any other thoughts or comments you may have in response.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie Beardsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie Beardsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love your blog!  Thank you!  Wanted to share with you something I&#039;m reading now that springboards right off your piece!  Something to give us all pause.......What do you think?   I am quoting John Eldridge from his book &quot;Waking the Dead&quot;, pgs. 63- 65.   
 
&quot;The cross was never meant to be the only or even the central symbol of Christianity......................That you are shocked by what I&#039;ve just said only proves how far we&#039;ve strayed from the faith of the New Testament.  The cross is not the sole focal point of Christianity.  Paul says so himself: &#039;If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith&#039;...............Four hundred years of the earliest and most vibrant Christianity goes by without the cross as its rallying point.  Those who walk with Jesus, and those who walked with those who walked with Jesus- they didn&#039;t make the cross central?  Why?........................The early Christian church symbolized the Resurrection, healings and miracles because the church thought those things were central..........those are what God himself wants us to focus on.  Those are the point.  Those make Christianity such very good news.&quot; 
 
I know that was long, but it&#039;s really just a &quot;teaser&quot;.   It is an eye-opener......not meant to be a chastisement here, either, by any stretch!  I am moved by your blog today- so true......and it spurred me to review these passages as well- so true! 
 
 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love your blog!  Thank you!  Wanted to share with you something I&#039;m reading now that springboards right off your piece!  Something to give us all pause&#8230;&#8230;.What do you think?   I am quoting John Eldridge from his book &quot;Waking the Dead&quot;, pgs. 63- 65.   </p>
<p>&quot;The cross was never meant to be the only or even the central symbol of Christianity&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.That you are shocked by what I&#039;ve just said only proves how far we&#039;ve strayed from the faith of the New Testament.  The cross is not the sole focal point of Christianity.  Paul says so himself: &#039;If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith&#039;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Four hundred years of the earliest and most vibrant Christianity goes by without the cross as its rallying point.  Those who walk with Jesus, and those who walked with those who walked with Jesus- they didn&#039;t make the cross central?  Why?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;The early Christian church symbolized the Resurrection, healings and miracles because the church thought those things were central&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.those are what God himself wants us to focus on.  Those are the point.  Those make Christianity such very good news.&quot; </p>
<p>I know that was long, but it&#039;s really just a &quot;teaser&quot;.   It is an eye-opener&#8230;&#8230;not meant to be a chastisement here, either, by any stretch!  I am moved by your blog today- so true&#8230;&#8230;and it spurred me to review these passages as well- so true!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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